Caution when buying MG Xback

goldenfin · 09-25-2005, 11:18 PM

My personal advise to those who are interested in buying MG Xbacks since there are a lot of confusion out there. Doesn't mean to discredit anyone, just something that I feel necessary to share.

My advise:
DO NOT BUY MG XBACK IF NOT STATED CLEARLY ON THE CERTIFICATE!
Why? Because you could end up buying RTG or HBRTG instead!
Or, your Xback will have less value without certificate.

When you are buying import Xbacks, most Malaysian and Singaporean farms will state the breed type of their MG on the certificate. If for some reason you are buying local breed MG, ask for certificate! and please buy only from reputable farm or retailer. Since only few of Indonesian reputable farm started to breed Xbacks and market them locally!

rudinugraha · 09-26-2005, 12:51 AM

Du.., Would you mind to tell us all the Indonesian reputable farm or retailer who aren't just give their customer its certificate only, but they can also give their customer satisfaction guarantee said that their fish are 100% original type of MG Xback.

I'm telling you all because I've a bad experience when I bought an "SR" for the first time (a few years ago) and I asked the seller about my fish's certificate, I was so surprised at that time because suddenly the seller showed me a bunch of "SR"'s certificates issued by miscellaneous breeders and asked me to pick one of them, and you know, later on I was more surprised when I found in fact that the fish that I bought from him wasn't not an "SR", but an "GR". (What a pitty...

!!!!)

So, based on my bad experience above, I wanna say that "Certificate" is just a piece of paper only which everybody can make or duplicate it easily, and for the beginer, the most important thing before they buy such an expensive fish like MG Xback (without feeling to discredit any one) firstly they have to know better who the seller is, they may ask as many as their wellknown friends who have more knowledge about this matter and hopefully or at least will give them a recommendation which retailer can be trusted.

Thanks.

donkza · 09-26-2005, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldenfin

My personal advise to those who are interested in buying MG Xbacks since there are a lot of confusion out there. Doesn't mean to discredit anyone, just something that I feel necessary to share.

My advise:
DO NOT BUY MG XBACK IF NOT STATED CLEARLY ON THE CERTIFICATE!
Why? Because you could end up buying RTG or HBRTG instead!
Or, your Xback will have less value without certificate.

When you are buying import Xbacks, most Malaysian and Singaporean farms will state the breed type of their MG on the certificate. If for some reason you are buying local breed MG, ask for certificate! and please buy only from reputable farm or retailer. Since only few of Indonesian reputable farm started to breed Xbacks and market them locally!

thx atas sarannya bos

h3ndr0 · 09-26-2005, 06:58 AM

Tergantung yg di gantung juga sich pak,...
Harusnya sich penjual jujur donkk ama produk yang mereka jual.
Skrng ini kya nya crossbreed antara mg dan rtg banyak (apalagi PKB telh berhasil mijah MG).Lalu kenapa? yg mentingkan ikannya bagus. Apalgi yg suka/maniac jenis gold biasanya dia akan bayar mahal untuk seekor rtg yang lebih bagus dari malaysian gold sekalipun, namun kualitasnya harus lebih bagus dalam artian harga rtg lebih mahal dari malaysian gold, kenapa ??? kita kan bukan cari merek tapi kualitas .... he he he

. Begitu juga yg merah. Bukan begitu bukan ?

eh sy bikin sarang2 laba2, ada yg mo nambahin, ini nich :

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edu

My personal advise to those who are interested in buying MG Xbacks since there are a lot of confusion out there. Doesn't mean to discredit anyone, just something that I feel necessary to share.

My advise:
DO NOT BUY MG XBACK IF NOT STATED CLEARLY ON THE CERTIFICATE!
Why? Because you could end up buying RTG or HBRTG instead!
Or, your Xback will have less value without certificate.

When you are buying import Xbacks, most Malaysian and Singaporean farms will state the breed type of their MG on the certificate. If for some reason you are buying local breed MG, ask for certificate! and please buy only from reputable farm or retailer. Since only few of Indonesian reputable farm started to breed Xbacks and market them locally!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudi

Du.., Would you mind to tell us all the Indonesian reputable farm or retailer who aren't just give their customer its certificate only, but they can also give their customer satisfaction guarantee said that their fish are 100% original type of MG Xback.

I'm telling you all because I've a bad experience when I bought an "SR" for the first time (a few years ago) and I asked the seller about my fish's certificate, I was so surprised at that time because suddenly the seller showed me a bunch of "SR"'s certificates issued by miscellaneous breeders and asked me to pick one of them, and you know, later on I was more surprised when I found in fact that the fish that I bought from him wasn't not an "SR", but an "GR". (What a pitty... !!!!)

So, based on my bad experience above, I wanna say that "Certificate" is just a piece of paper only which everybody can make or duplicate it easily, and for the beginer, the most important thing before they buy such an expensive fish like MG Xback (without feeling to discredit any one) firstly they have to know better who the seller is, they may ask as many as their wellknown friends who have more knowledge about this matter and hopefully or at least will give them a recommendation which retailer can be trusted.

Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by donkza

thx atas sarannya bos

KoKo · 09-26-2005, 09:44 AM

setuju bos Edu

goldenfin · 09-26-2005, 09:56 AM

Sangat setuju! bos Rudi dan H3ndro

Kita memang harus lebih melihat ikannya bukan sertifikatnya!

However:

1. Super Red adalah species asli Indonesia. Tanpa sertifikat pun kita beli, ikan tidak akan pernah berkurang nilainya. Kenyataan di lapangan pun masih memungkinkan kita beli SR tanpa sertifikat dan chip kan?
Katakanlah ada orang awam punya duit langsung beli SR 20cm, dibesarin bagus sampe 50cm, terus dia mau jual ke satu pedagang yg kebetulan jahil, ikan cuma ditawar 5jt, si orang awam kan bisa dengan leluasa pergi ke pedagang lain yang lebih cengli, karena dia tau nilai ikannya ngga segitu seharusnya kan? Karena paling tidak orang kita sudah tau nilai SR.

2. Nah kalo Xback import? anda beli awal sudah lebih mahal dari SR (kalo import), namun sebagian besar orang belum tau bedanya RTG sama Xback, kalo ada orang awam ngga ngerti ikan tapi punya Xback istimewa, kan si pedagang/trader nakal bisa menggunakan kesempatan, iya ngga? Anda ngaku2 ikannya xback import pun orang disini akan sulit percaya, malah lebih menganggap ikan anda RTG biasa. Jadi ngapain beli sesuatu lebih mahal dari SR tanpa asal usul yang jelas dan bisa dipertanggung- jawabkan?

3. Kalo Xback lokal? nah untuk yang satu ini kan seharusnya farm yang breeding Xback kan didaftar oleh BKSDA, wong indukan jenis apa yang akan diternakan seharusnya dilaporkan ke pemerintah. Tapi kenyataanya dilapangan kan susah realisasi sesuai aturan. Sekarang kan orang umumnya tau kalo farm2 di Indonesia cuma terdaftar untuk breed SR, RTG, Pino, Banjar dan Silver. Gimana orang bisa tau farm tersebut menghasilkan Xback kalo farmnya tidak melapor ke BKSDA atau sudah berhasil export ke luar negeri dengan mencantumkan sertifikat yang diakui pasar international?

Singkatnya kenapa biasakan beli Xback local minta sertifikat? agar supaya kalo ternyata ikan anda cuma RTG atau HBRTG, anda berhak nuntut sebagai konsumen. Dan reputasi farm2 penghasil Xback akan mulai terbentuk di pasar, seperti halnya SR selama ini

goldenfin · 09-26-2005, 10:06 AM

Maksud gue, please jangan mudah tertipu dengan iming2 Xback atau HBRTG dipasaran lokal kalo ngga jelas asal-usul farm dan reputasi pedagangnya. Kalo kita lebih waspada dan membiasakan diri minta sertifikat kan paling tidak bisa membatasi pedagang nakal yang mencoba menyalahgunakan RTG biasa

Ajie F · 09-26-2005, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldenfin

Maksud gue, please jangan mudah tertipu dengan iming2 Xback atau HBRTG dipasaran lokal kalo ngga jelas asal-usul farm dan reputasi pedagangnya. Kalo kita lebih waspada dan membiasakan diri minta sertifikat kan paling tidak bisa membatasi pedagang nakal yang mencoba menyalahgunakan RTG biasa

Jangan kwatir mas edu n temen temen , kiatnya gampang kok ,agar gak ke tepu , ya Beli aja XB ( Kalau Ragu lihat ARO RTG yg ciri cirinya seperti XB) dng Harga RTG , pasti deh di jamin Gak Rugi

salam

Ajie F

Martin · 09-26-2005, 11:57 AM

Boss Edu dan Boss Rudi bahasa Inggris-nya bagus banget

Thanks for warning us regarding MG Xback

kalesa · 09-29-2005, 07:47 PM

iya pilih ikan jangan dari namanya (sertifikatnya) tapi dari kualitasnya dan perhatikan juga harganya!
pernah di kartini nanya ini arwana jenis apa dijawabnya malaysia golden padahal mirips golden red

SR quality · 09-30-2005, 09:49 AM

waduh kapan punga MG, lagi tunggu lelang/arisan mas N1wan nih! kalau ngak gak kejangkau

adi_n · 09-30-2005, 09:49 AM

bos Edu, pernah punya pengalaman gak mengenai x-back ini di pasar lokal...??

SR quality · 09-30-2005, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adi_n

bos Edu, pernah punya pengalaman gak mengenai x-back ini di pasar lokal...??

di m**g banyak tuh harga 10jt belum tawar, silakan buru!

goldenfin · 09-30-2005, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adi_n

bos Edu, pernah punya pengalaman gak mengenai x-back ini di pasar lokal...??

Ditipu belum pernah, sampai sekarang pun masih cari2 anakan yang bener2 sy suka banget belum dapet2. Tapi kalo ditawarin sama orang asbun yang ngerasa lebih ngerti dari sy sudah beberapa kali.

donkza · 10-01-2005, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldenfin

Ditipu belum pernah, sampai sekarang pun masih cari2 anakan yang bener2 sy suka banget belum dapet2. Tapi kalo ditawarin sama orang asbun yang ngerasa lebih ngerti dari sy sudah beberapa kali.

wow,masih mau berburu xback?ck..ck...top bangget

09-25-2005, 11:18 PM	#1
goldenfin (3250) NAC 026 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Torrey Pines Posts: 1,999	Caution when buying MG Xback My personal advise to those who are interested in buying MG Xbacks since there are a lot of confusion out there. Doesn't mean to discredit anyone, just something that I feel necessary to share. My advise: DO NOT BUY MG XBACK IF NOT STATED CLEARLY ON THE CERTIFICATE! Why? Because you could end up buying RTG or HBRTG instead! Or, your Xback will have less value without certificate. When you are buying import Xbacks, most Malaysian and Singaporean farms will state the breed type of their MG on the certificate. If for some reason you are buying local breed MG, ask for certificate! and please buy only from reputable farm or retailer. Since only few of Indonesian reputable farm started to breed Xbacks and market them locally!

09-26-2005, 12:51 AM	#2
rudinugraha (1532) NAC 033 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Jakarta Posts: 1,194	Re: Caution when buying MG Xback Du.., Would you mind to tell us all the Indonesian reputable farm or retailer who aren't just give their customer its certificate only, but they can also give their customer satisfaction guarantee said that their fish are 100% original type of MG Xback. I'm telling you all because I've a bad experience when I bought an "SR" for the first time (a few years ago) and I asked the seller about my fish's certificate, I was so surprised at that time because suddenly the seller showed me a bunch of "SR"'s certificates issued by miscellaneous breeders and asked me to pick one of them, and you know, later on I was more surprised when I found in fact that the fish that I bought from him wasn't not an "SR", but an "GR". (What a pitty... !!!!) So, based on my bad experience above, I wanna say that "Certificate" is just a piece of paper only which everybody can make or duplicate it easily, and for the beginer, the most important thing before they buy such an expensive fish like MG Xback (without feeling to discredit any one) firstly they have to know better who the seller is, they may ask as many as their wellknown friends who have more knowledge about this matter and hopefully or at least will give them a recommendation which retailer can be trusted. Thanks.

09-26-2005, 09:44 AM	#5
KoKo (3087) NAC 009 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Delle Alpi_TebeT Posts: 2,914	Re: Caution when buying MG Xback setuju bos Edu __________________ " Stand Up Speak Up "

09-26-2005, 09:56 AM	#6
goldenfin (3250) NAC 026 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Torrey Pines Posts: 1,999	Re: Caution when buying MG Xback Sangat setuju! bos Rudi dan H3ndro Kita memang harus lebih melihat ikannya bukan sertifikatnya! However: 1. Super Red adalah species asli Indonesia. Tanpa sertifikat pun kita beli, ikan tidak akan pernah berkurang nilainya. Kenyataan di lapangan pun masih memungkinkan kita beli SR tanpa sertifikat dan chip kan? Katakanlah ada orang awam punya duit langsung beli SR 20cm, dibesarin bagus sampe 50cm, terus dia mau jual ke satu pedagang yg kebetulan jahil, ikan cuma ditawar 5jt, si orang awam kan bisa dengan leluasa pergi ke pedagang lain yang lebih cengli, karena dia tau nilai ikannya ngga segitu seharusnya kan? Karena paling tidak orang kita sudah tau nilai SR. 2. Nah kalo Xback import? anda beli awal sudah lebih mahal dari SR (kalo import), namun sebagian besar orang belum tau bedanya RTG sama Xback, kalo ada orang awam ngga ngerti ikan tapi punya Xback istimewa, kan si pedagang/trader nakal bisa menggunakan kesempatan, iya ngga? Anda ngaku2 ikannya xback import pun orang disini akan sulit percaya, malah lebih menganggap ikan anda RTG biasa. Jadi ngapain beli sesuatu lebih mahal dari SR tanpa asal usul yang jelas dan bisa dipertanggung- jawabkan? 3. Kalo Xback lokal? nah untuk yang satu ini kan seharusnya farm yang breeding Xback kan didaftar oleh BKSDA, wong indukan jenis apa yang akan diternakan seharusnya dilaporkan ke pemerintah. Tapi kenyataanya dilapangan kan susah realisasi sesuai aturan. Sekarang kan orang umumnya tau kalo farm2 di Indonesia cuma terdaftar untuk breed SR, RTG, Pino, Banjar dan Silver. Gimana orang bisa tau farm tersebut menghasilkan Xback kalo farmnya tidak melapor ke BKSDA atau sudah berhasil export ke luar negeri dengan mencantumkan sertifikat yang diakui pasar international? Singkatnya kenapa biasakan beli Xback local minta sertifikat? agar supaya kalo ternyata ikan anda cuma RTG atau HBRTG, anda berhak nuntut sebagai konsumen. Dan reputasi farm2 penghasil Xback akan mulai terbentuk di pasar, seperti halnya SR selama ini

09-26-2005, 10:06 AM	#7
goldenfin (3250) NAC 026 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Torrey Pines Posts: 1,999	Re: Caution when buying MG Xback Maksud gue, please jangan mudah tertipu dengan iming2 Xback atau HBRTG dipasaran lokal kalo ngga jelas asal-usul farm dan reputasi pedagangnya. Kalo kita lebih waspada dan membiasakan diri minta sertifikat kan paling tidak bisa membatasi pedagang nakal yang mencoba menyalahgunakan RTG biasa

09-26-2005, 11:57 AM	#9
Martin (560) NAC 028 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 444	Re: Caution when buying MG Xback Boss Edu dan Boss Rudi bahasa Inggris-nya bagus banget Thanks for warning us regarding MG Xback

09-29-2005, 07:47 PM	#10
kalesa (4754) NAC 019 Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,473	Re: Caution when buying MG Xback iya pilih ikan jangan dari namanya (sertifikatnya) tapi dari kualitasnya dan perhatikan juga harganya! pernah di kartini nanya ini arwana jenis apa dijawabnya malaysia golden padahal mirips golden red __________________ tnQ ...boleh ngutip... semangat juang yang tak pernah mati adalah wujud nyata kebangkitan sejati

09-30-2005, 09:49 AM	#11
SR quality (185) NAC 040 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: jakarta Posts: 185	Re: Caution when buying MG Xback waduh kapan punga MG, lagi tunggu lelang/arisan mas N1wan nih! kalau ngak gak kejangkau

09-30-2005, 09:49 AM	#12
adi_n (943) NAC 015 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 867	Re: Caution when buying MG Xback bos Edu, pernah punya pengalaman gak mengenai x-back ini di pasar lokal...??

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